toronto is pretty gay too, just look at this blog, hah.

i say we just take another music and make it torontos, i suggest dubstep. lets snatch that shit up! we almost did it with jungle in the 90s, i think this time we can make it happen. we’ve learned from our mistakes. or how bout crunk? lets bring it back toronto style (add some bongos maybe?) AWWWKAAAYYYY!!

BTW I’ve always associated Chicago with Blues culture. Big City Blues as opposed to Blues Country which I associate with the Mississippi Delta and Gay culture with San Francisco. Although Toronto is slowly becoming more gay than Frisco which I am very proud of even though I’m not gay. I guess that makes me shallow. Either that or a closet homosexual.

ps i didnt get the 3 genre thing from a movie or anything. i did consider those two you suggested but i think they fall into the 3. loving music can be listening music or dance music, and fucking music can be any of the 3 depending on how you fuck.

btw im finding this getting quite interesting and it would be cool if this turned into a much bigger discussion.

You pretty much summed it up in a nutshell. I just didn’t realize it sounded so douchey until you put it into context. I was fascinated by the fact that Baltimore got put into the dance music history books by mass producing house music that sampled the same three drum breaks over and over. To me it sounded so simple and I couldn’t quite understand it’s mass appeal. Jungle and the amen was a movement that I really understood, but when B-more became so popular I was like “shit, Toronto could do the same thing.” I chose The Incredible Bongo Band because well, I love that fuckin’ album and there is something about that “Apache” break that makes people, including me, lose their shit on the dance floor. As Douchey as you made it sound, I still don’t think it’s a pretty good idea. Toronto needs a movement. Something that doesn’t get lumped in with sounds coming out of Paris, Brooklyn, Montreal, London, Miami or Detroit. Right now it seems that there are enough fantastic producers in this city capable of creating great dance tracks of all different styles and genres, but there is nothing coming out of this city that is different enough to be considered the Toronto “Sound.” Suggesting the proliferation of a drum break, much like B-More did with “Funky Drummer”, and “Think”, seems like the most logical way to do it.

Thanks for discussing this with me. You’ve helped me realize exactly why I wrote this article in the first place. I just hope, if my suggestion is taken seriously, it won’t ruin the “Apache” break for me. I’m sure it won’t because I still love to listen to “Funky Drummer” and “Think” even though I’m not really a fan of B-More.

P.S. I know you were quoting some film or something but, may I suggest adding Loving music and Fucking music to your list of genres.

Peace

Splattah

I see your point about people sampling Apache since the inception of the sampler, but for the most part, other producers would just take the intro break and loop it or the song would sound more like a cover i.e. Sugarhill Gang’s “Apache (Jump on it”)etc. When Switch did “A Bit Patchy,” he took those drum hits and turned them into more of a Dancehall/Reggaeton rhythm. Which blew my mind. John Roman looped the intro break to Bongolia and arranged the vocal calls to sound more like a mid 90′s Breakbeat piece reminiscent of Fat Boy Slim. My thought was that, if enough producers, from the same geographical location, sampled the same type of drum breaks, in a similar fashion, enough times, then people will start to identify that particular sound as a separate genre or sub-genre of dance music. It was a thought I had a few years back and threw around to a bunch of local producers but, until now, no one put anything out that fit into that mold. I got a little excited when I heard John’s remix and decided to write an article based on the idea that I had a few years back. As far as I’m concerned, The Incredible Bongo Band isn’t sampled enough in modern dance music and I’m just trying to point this incredible wealth of drum samples out to young producers. Many of whom read this blog.

Time will tell on this one.

@doug this is an area of music that I’m not too informed about so I don’t want to put words in Splattermonkey’s mouth, but I’m guessing he might say that just because people sampled apache before doesn’t mean that they sampled it in a certain way. What I mean is, I’m not sure what the differences he might identify are, but it seems to me that, generally speaking, some listeners define subgenres of music much like they do dialects of language – based sometimes on very subtle differences. This was a pretty provocative piece though, so you may not be off base here

@Never2Hollywood Couldn’t agree with you more brother